Filmer, John

Male Abt 1534 - (? 1580)

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  • Name Filmer, John 
    Born Abt 1534 
    Gender Male 
    Died (? 1580)  Stalisfield, Kent Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Buried (? Dec 1580)  Stalisfield, Kent Find all individuals with events at this location 
    • He is mentioned in his father's will dated 1552 and proved in 1571.

      John, James and Marjorie's fourth son, is less well documented. He clearly married at a young age and had children. Mention was made of him in his father's will and also in 1569/70 in that of his brother Isaac. In his brother Robert's will, proved in 1586, he left John's children 20/- each but no names are given. R. M. Filmer speculates that this is the John Filmer who was living at Chilham in 1569, a farmer, and who died there in 1582. He had a large family.

      Alternatively, John may have had a farm at Stalisfield, although earlier he was also farming some of his father's lands in Otterden. A John Filmer was buried at Stalisfield in 1580.

      John and William Filmer, the sons of James and Marjorie Filmer, are not now thought to have married Elizabeth Deacon and Elizabeth Simmons respectively. These marriages are more likely to refer to John's children.

      John Filmer, the son of James Filmer and Marjorie Raynor, was probably born in the early 1530's either before or after his brother, William, and before his brother, Isaac. He is likely to have been their fourth or fifth son, after George, Robert and Reginald who were given greater prominence in their fathers' will.

      In the Bishop's transcripts for Otterden is a reference to the death of 'John's wife' probably in 1568. No name for his wife is given but there are other facts that point to an early marriage from which there was some progeny.

      His children by this marriage were probably not recorded. Indeed it is quite possible that they were deliberately not recorded as the keeping of such records was viewed at that time with great suspicion lest the information was used for taxation purposes. Of the sixty or so parishes around Otterden only Eastwell, Harrietsham, Milton-next-Sittingbourne, Teynham and Tunstall have registers that exist today and which were compiled in accordance with the official order for parishes to keep such records from 1538. Fortunately, from 1568 returns had to made to the Archdeaconry Court at Canterbury. Even then, the returns for Otterden were submitted somewhat sloppily - no doubt due to the attitude of the Rector of whom it was said 'Dom John Abbye who is married, does not live in Otterden, has also the vicarage of Stallesfield and is not commonly resident there; does not preach, has no licence, not a graduate. He is a hunter'.

      John probably married after his father, James, wrote his will in 1552. This envisaged that he would be allowed to reside in his father's property at Sleyde 'which he had lately purchased of Robert Barnes' for five years after his father's death and it would then go to his brother, William. If William should die without heirs then the property would remain with John. His father did not actually die until 1571.

      It seems quite possible that on his marriage his father settled property on him. When his wife died, probably in 1568, leaving him with young children he may have moved to Stalisfield to be with his youngest brother, Isaac. His sister, Rabige, and aunt, Izooth, had also died there about the same time.

      In 1569 his younger brother, Isaac, of Stalisfield, died leaving him a coat, doublet and two shirts in his will. All four of them (John's wife, Izooth, Rabige and Isaac) may have been carried off by the same illness. However, it looks as if John may have continued to live in Stalisfield, where there is a record of a John Filmer's death in 1580. His brother, William, was then still alive.

      Reginald M. Filmer considered it possible that John Filmer died at Chilham in 1582 where a John Filmer had farmed since 1569. It is considered that the Stalisfield death is the more appropriate in view of the families clear association with this latter parish.

      His brother, Robert, in his will dated 23rd March, 1584 leaves John's children 20/- each. (He does not leave anything to John, himself, whereas he mentions his other brothers and sisters then living, which seems to imply John was probably deceased by then). Unfortunately he does not give the children's names or say how many.

      Reginald M. Filmer in his book 'Deep-rooted in Kent' indicates that at least one of his children was called Raynold (p. 27) but it is not clear from where he obtained this information.
    Person ID I14562  Hougham
    Last Modified 11 Aug 2004 

    Father Filmer, James
              b. (abt 1478/1490)
              d. 1571 
    Mother Raynor, Margerye
              d. 1588, Wychling, Kent Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Married Abt 1522  Doddington, Kent Find all individuals with events at this location 
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    Family ID F5863  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family (Filmer)
              d. 1568, Otterden, Kent Find all individuals with events at this location 
     1. Living
     2. Living
     3. Filmer, William
              d. 1613
     4. Filmer, Alice
              d. 1593, Stalisfield, Kent Find all individuals with events at this location
    Family ID F5912  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

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